Showing posts with label experience machine. Show all posts
Showing posts with label experience machine. Show all posts

Sunday, April 21, 2013

Hedonism and the Experience Machine

**This is from guest blogger, Eric B.**

Hello all,

I wrote this blog post as a preliminary sketch of an argument I may use within my second paper. I am focusing on Mill, Hedonism and possibly how the doctrine of Hedonism may influence any decisions we may make regarding Robert Nozik’s Experience Machine. I would love any comments about the effectiveness of this argument, and especially how it may interact with the Experience Machine.

Hedonism, as defined by Mill, follows the principle that happiness is the only intrinsically good value (unhappiness as the only intrinsically bad value). Hedonism helps us decide what we ought to do, and what we ought not to do, based on creating the greatest possible aggregate happiness. Thus, it seems like a very practical theory in individual or group decision making scenarios. Mill address the question regarding the need to choose between different types of happiness:
“On a question, which is the best worth having of two pleasures, or which of two modes of existence is the most grateful to the feelings, apart from its moral attributes and its consequences, the judgment of those who are qualified by knowledge of both, or, if they differ, that of the majority among them, must be admitted as final”. (287)
Mill argues that based on experience and knowledge of happiness outcome, we make certain decisions. If we are unable to use experience, then we accept the majority opinion in cases of moral conflict. To illustrate this, lets take a basic example of ditching class. Let’s say I have an experience of what it is like to skip class and drink beer all day. I also have an experience of the pain I get from failing my exam. I choose to study and not drink beer due to the experiences I have had, and my knowledge of the pleasure outcomes.

This is all good and fun, but what can we say about actions that we have no previous experience of? Lets use another well studied thought experiment: we must choose between saving 4 children who are going to get hit by a train, or to kill the conductor and save the children. Surely very few people can draw on previous experiences in order to make a decision that would maximize happiness. How can we determine what is most pleasurable when we have no experience of the other side? In addition, Mill states that we would follow majority opinion to know the right decision. This suggestion fails because it would be incredibly difficult to know the stance of the majority population, and the decision that the hypothetical majority may come to may not in fact maximize aggregate happiness. Thus, I am arguing that Mill’s notion of how we (the methods we use) to make these difficult decisions is unpersuasive. 

Thursday, March 21, 2013

Nozick's Experience Machine

**This is from guest blogger, David C.**

Robert Nozick seems to be making two points with his thought experiment of the experience machine. The first point is to negatively refute Hedonism. The second is a positive point, which argues that people put intrinsic value on “really doing”, “really being” and to “live ourselves, in contact with reality”. I think that Nozick’s first point relies on an invalid argument, while his second point has a lot of ambiguity, which raises more problems then it actually solves.

Nozick’s first point of refuting Hedonism would rely on an argument somewhat along these lines:

1.      If Hedonism is true then the only thing that people should care about is maximize happiness (pleasure).
2.      Defined by the set up of the thought experiment, entering the experience machine would maximize one’s happiness (pleasure).
3.      If one only cares about maximizing one’s happiness (pleasure) one would enter the experience machine.
4.      Plenty of people choice not to enter the experience machine.
5.      For plenty of people, it is not the case that they only care about maximizing their happiness (pleasure).
6.      Hedonism is false.

There are several problems with this argument.

This first problem is that the conclusion (6.) “Hedonism is false” does not validly follow from the premises. Although it seems that premise (1.) and premise (5.) would lead to (6.), but this is logically invalid. The reason is that the key claim in premise (1.), the Hedonism claim that “the only thing that people should care about is maximize happiness (pleasure)”, is a prescriptive claim, not a descriptive claim. It is a claim that suggests what people “should” care about, not a claim that purports to accurately describe what people “actually” care about. What people “actually” care about cannot prove or disprove the prescriptive claim. It is totally consistent that “I actually care about A”, but “I should care about B”, for maybe I’m just being irrational. Thus, premise (5.), which describes what people actually care about, cannot be sufficient to falsify Hedonism. In order to refute this prescriptive claim of Hedonism, we would need an argument that proves: one should not only care about maximizing happiness (pleasure).

Maybe Nozick’s second point, which is positive, does try to argument for why people “should not” enter the experience machine. If Nozick’s second point does prove this point, then he would have a good argument of refuting Hedonism. I will address his second point later. But nonetheless, if my argument in the above paragraph is correct, Nozick’s argument would, at least, loss some power. Much of Nozick’s power of proof comes from people’s intuitive approval of premise (4.), which states: “Plenty of people choice not to enter the experience machine”. But if I am right in pointing out the invalidness of the argument, then I have prove premise (4.) does not contribute to refuting Hedonism. Hence, the most powerful premise in this argument would be useless.

Of course, some may think that Hedonism is not just a prescriptive claim, and that Nozick’s argument has successfully proven that the descriptive claims of Hedonism is false. Surely, if we change the key claim in premise (1.) into a descriptive claim, which would be something like: “If Hedonism is true then the only thing that people would care about is maximize happiness (pleasure)”, the argument above would become a valid argument. But does that mean this argument has successfully proven the descriptive claims of Hedonism to be false? No, because there are still other problems in this argument.

Another problem for this argument is that premise (3.) does not follow from premise (2.). This may seem counter-intuitive at first, but it is perfectly constant that one may only care about maximizing one’s happiness (pleasure) but choices not to enter the experience machine. How can this be? Since the experience machine is, by definition, a happiness (pleasure) maximizer.

It can be possible and consistent because the experience machine can only promise to be a happiness (pleasure) maximizer after you enter the machine in the future. But you are making the choice of whether to enter the machine at the present moment. This can make a huge difference because since you are making the choice at the present moment, you are making judgment based on the happiness (pleasure) maximizing calculation at the present moment, not after you enter the machine in the future (or the two combined). A machine that promise to maximize your happiness (pleasure) in the future does not promise to maximize your happiness (pleasure) at this present moment (or the two combined). And if it does not maximize your happiness (pleasure) at this present moment (or the two combined), it is perfectly consistent that you choice not to enter it.

What I just said would probably sound quite confusing. So let me clarify two points:

1. How could the machine be a happiness (pleasure) maximizer after you enter the machine in the future, but not so at the present moment? The answer is that one might put a huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world”. Therefore, this would make a huge difference for him, because after he enters the machine he will not know he is in it, and thus the huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world” is satisfied. But at the present moment, while he has not yet entered the machine, he knows the world will be a “fake world”, and thus the huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world” is not satisfied.

2. Wouldn’t the dissatisfaction of “knowing the ugly truth” only last for a very short time, and therefore would bond to be overweighed by the “happiness (pleasure) maximized” rest of your life in the machine? There are two ways of replying to this doubt. One is by arguing that people just put much more weight on the present happiness (pleasure) than the future happiness (pleasure) when making decisions. The other is by arguing that people just put a really huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world”. So much that even a tinny time of dissatisfaction caused by its truth would overweight a whole lifetime of ignorant happiness.

I think Nozick would actually agree with the second way of replying. For his positive point is just to argue that people value “really doing”, “really being” and living in the “real world” so much that there are actually intrinsic value in them. But I think this positive point of his has a lot of ambiguity, and raises more problems then it actually solves. I will talk about it later in the post.

Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Nozick's Experience Machine

**This is from guest blogger, Claire S.**

So, here’s how my thinking on the experience machine goes:  At first I as thinking, well, maybe I desire something other than pleasure, like I value the parts of my life where I feel bored or lonely (just say) and so I don’t desire a life that is purely pleasurable. Someone could say, well, this is not a problem for the machine because the machine can give you the perfect amount of loneliness or boredom fit to your exact desires. So then I started thinking, well, say that I find my life exactly as it is to be the most desirable, valuable life I can imagine. This being the case, when I get into the machine, my life there is exactly the same as my life outside the machine (the way my life is is perfectly tailored to my desires). This being the case, given the choice of living out a life in the real world versus one in the machine, I cannot imagine anyone choosing the life in the machine over the real world, given that they are the same. But then must there be a difference that makes me choose the real world? Perhaps the difference is in part that it is real and not an illusion. What do you guys think? Does this somehow get at something other than pleasure being valuable?