Thursday, March 21, 2013

Nozick's Experience Machine

**This is from guest blogger, David C.**

Robert Nozick seems to be making two points with his thought experiment of the experience machine. The first point is to negatively refute Hedonism. The second is a positive point, which argues that people put intrinsic value on “really doing”, “really being” and to “live ourselves, in contact with reality”. I think that Nozick’s first point relies on an invalid argument, while his second point has a lot of ambiguity, which raises more problems then it actually solves.

Nozick’s first point of refuting Hedonism would rely on an argument somewhat along these lines:

1.      If Hedonism is true then the only thing that people should care about is maximize happiness (pleasure).
2.      Defined by the set up of the thought experiment, entering the experience machine would maximize one’s happiness (pleasure).
3.      If one only cares about maximizing one’s happiness (pleasure) one would enter the experience machine.
4.      Plenty of people choice not to enter the experience machine.
5.      For plenty of people, it is not the case that they only care about maximizing their happiness (pleasure).
6.      Hedonism is false.

There are several problems with this argument.

This first problem is that the conclusion (6.) “Hedonism is false” does not validly follow from the premises. Although it seems that premise (1.) and premise (5.) would lead to (6.), but this is logically invalid. The reason is that the key claim in premise (1.), the Hedonism claim that “the only thing that people should care about is maximize happiness (pleasure)”, is a prescriptive claim, not a descriptive claim. It is a claim that suggests what people “should” care about, not a claim that purports to accurately describe what people “actually” care about. What people “actually” care about cannot prove or disprove the prescriptive claim. It is totally consistent that “I actually care about A”, but “I should care about B”, for maybe I’m just being irrational. Thus, premise (5.), which describes what people actually care about, cannot be sufficient to falsify Hedonism. In order to refute this prescriptive claim of Hedonism, we would need an argument that proves: one should not only care about maximizing happiness (pleasure).

Maybe Nozick’s second point, which is positive, does try to argument for why people “should not” enter the experience machine. If Nozick’s second point does prove this point, then he would have a good argument of refuting Hedonism. I will address his second point later. But nonetheless, if my argument in the above paragraph is correct, Nozick’s argument would, at least, loss some power. Much of Nozick’s power of proof comes from people’s intuitive approval of premise (4.), which states: “Plenty of people choice not to enter the experience machine”. But if I am right in pointing out the invalidness of the argument, then I have prove premise (4.) does not contribute to refuting Hedonism. Hence, the most powerful premise in this argument would be useless.

Of course, some may think that Hedonism is not just a prescriptive claim, and that Nozick’s argument has successfully proven that the descriptive claims of Hedonism is false. Surely, if we change the key claim in premise (1.) into a descriptive claim, which would be something like: “If Hedonism is true then the only thing that people would care about is maximize happiness (pleasure)”, the argument above would become a valid argument. But does that mean this argument has successfully proven the descriptive claims of Hedonism to be false? No, because there are still other problems in this argument.

Another problem for this argument is that premise (3.) does not follow from premise (2.). This may seem counter-intuitive at first, but it is perfectly constant that one may only care about maximizing one’s happiness (pleasure) but choices not to enter the experience machine. How can this be? Since the experience machine is, by definition, a happiness (pleasure) maximizer.

It can be possible and consistent because the experience machine can only promise to be a happiness (pleasure) maximizer after you enter the machine in the future. But you are making the choice of whether to enter the machine at the present moment. This can make a huge difference because since you are making the choice at the present moment, you are making judgment based on the happiness (pleasure) maximizing calculation at the present moment, not after you enter the machine in the future (or the two combined). A machine that promise to maximize your happiness (pleasure) in the future does not promise to maximize your happiness (pleasure) at this present moment (or the two combined). And if it does not maximize your happiness (pleasure) at this present moment (or the two combined), it is perfectly consistent that you choice not to enter it.

What I just said would probably sound quite confusing. So let me clarify two points:

1. How could the machine be a happiness (pleasure) maximizer after you enter the machine in the future, but not so at the present moment? The answer is that one might put a huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world”. Therefore, this would make a huge difference for him, because after he enters the machine he will not know he is in it, and thus the huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world” is satisfied. But at the present moment, while he has not yet entered the machine, he knows the world will be a “fake world”, and thus the huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world” is not satisfied.

2. Wouldn’t the dissatisfaction of “knowing the ugly truth” only last for a very short time, and therefore would bond to be overweighed by the “happiness (pleasure) maximized” rest of your life in the machine? There are two ways of replying to this doubt. One is by arguing that people just put much more weight on the present happiness (pleasure) than the future happiness (pleasure) when making decisions. The other is by arguing that people just put a really huge amount of happiness (pleasure) in knowing and believing he is living in the “real world”. So much that even a tinny time of dissatisfaction caused by its truth would overweight a whole lifetime of ignorant happiness.

I think Nozick would actually agree with the second way of replying. For his positive point is just to argue that people value “really doing”, “really being” and living in the “real world” so much that there are actually intrinsic value in them. But I think this positive point of his has a lot of ambiguity, and raises more problems then it actually solves. I will talk about it later in the post.

5 comments:

Chelsea R. said...

What about higher versus lower pleasures? I believe this is from Mills' 'Hedonism'. The experience machine is asking its participants to have a lifetime of lesser pleasures, while a normal life (on average) is filled with less numerous but more potent higher pleasures. I'm saying the experience machine is lesser pleasure mostly because of my own beliefs. This machine fabricates experiences so what one is learning in this machine is actual knowledge. I think this separation would make Nozick's view on hedonism being a negative thing null. Those who are hedonists AND seek higher pleasure would say "No way jose," to the experience machine.

JPH Stephens said...

All in all, I really enjoyed this post. It is an excellent discussion and analysis of the "experience machine" conundrum. My remaining questions are the following:

What if people are simply irrational? They really would value the pleasure from the machine more than real life...they are simply blind to this fact?

What if people are mistaken when they put value in living in the here and now (real world)?



As for the comment above, I do not quite understand why the machine offers a lifetime of lesser pleasures, and not a life similar to this life, with higher pleasures dispersed throughout our lives. Even if we go as far as to say that our current lives couldn't be any more pleasureful on the whole (our experiences of pain and sadness only exist to give us the opportunity to appreciate pleasure/happiness), someone could turn around and say "Aha! Then perhaps we're in the machine already!" This would by no means stand as proof that we ARE in such an experience machine, but I think it stands to show that we are not justified in believing that NOT entering the machine should be chosen due to the value of truth and ACTUALLY living in the real world. If we were to be mistaken about what the real world is, then we would be mistaken in our reasoning for not entering the machine.

Cassy K. said...

I personally think that the only thing the machine can't possibly offer is a real impact on the real world. By that I mean, the machine might make me think that I am having an affect on the world, but that wouldn't be actually the case.
Say, in the actual world, I manage to talk someone out of committing suicide and I have thus made some important impact on the world (ie. something I value). The experience machine could simulate this experience, of course, but it isn't an actual impact on the actual world. If I died tomorrow in the machine, the person whose life I saved would not continue on in their life because it never existed. My simulated impact dies when I die. I don't leave behind some "dream world Cassy" impact on the world. Point being, if I value leaving some sort of mark on the world that supersedes my mortality, then it seems I would not want to enter a machine that would render me essentially dead to the actual world.

I think this holds because the question is not whether or not I want to STAY in an experience machine that I'm already in; the question is if I will opt to enter one to begin with. I'm conscious of my giving up my ability to actually accomplish real things, and I think this is a leap I would not want to make. This is why I think that someone who values having a "real impact on the world" (whatever that means for them individually) would choose not to enter the machine in the first place.

David C. said...

Chelsea,

I share Stephens' puzzlement on why would you believe the experience machine could only offer a life of lower pleasures, while a "real life" can enjoy higher pleasures?

If you are thinking about Mill's examples of lower and higher pleasures, I think the distinction between this two should not pose any problem to the experience machine. For Mill, as it seems to me, lower pleasures are satisfied by doing things like eating or playing video games, while higher pleasures are satisfied by doing things like reading philosophy or enjoying high art. If this understanding of mine is correct, then I’m sure the experience machine will be able to stimulate such things as reading philosophy and enjoying high art. And therefore, the experience machine is able to generate higher pleasure. So now, both the machine and the “real life” can generate higher pleasure. And by definition, life in the machine should be more pleasurable. If this is the case, do you think it would undermine your reason of not entering the machine?

Maybe one way to back up your reasons of not entering the machine is, like Stephen suggested, refer to the importance of “really living”. This is also going along Nozick’s positive point.

David C. said...

Stephens,

Thanks for the comments. I hope to try and share my answers to your questions.

For your first question: What if people are simply irrational? They really would value the pleasure from the machine more than real life...they are simply blind to this fact?

Here’s what I think. First of all, I don’t think that if someone value the pleasure from the machine more than real life would mean they are irrational. But we cannot easily discuss this for you can imagine how we would easily get very messy with what count as rational, and whether rational is always what we should choose to do. That aside, if someone really values the pleasure from the machine more than real life, I don’t think that proves anything too important. As I said in the post, I think people can be mistaken, and a descriptive fact (or observation) like this shouldn’t have the power to prove or disprove any prescriptive claims. That said, it might be a supporting evidence for a descriptive hedonism claim.

For your second question: What if people are mistaken when they put value in living in the here and now (real world)?

I actually do think that people are quite mistaken (or at least, partly mistaken/have some bad reasons) in putting intrinsic value in living in the here and now. And I think if people are mistaken when they put value in living in the here and now (real world), then it shows that they “should” enter the machine. But I do not think it would necessarily show that hedonism is true. I want to expand on this in a second post (or comment) that I’m still working on.