tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3133078502277941061.post6741422529990213989..comments2023-07-18T08:00:22.009-05:00Comments on Steinblog: Singer and Arthur on CharityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3133078502277941061.post-7226693187181831862016-07-24T01:23:04.401-05:002016-07-24T01:23:04.401-05:00I've never really believed in positive rights ...I've never really believed in positive rights such as the right to resources and assistance from others. Positive rights require action from someone in order to exist - for the poor person in Singer's case to have a right to food and medical care, someone has to guarantee the delivery of that food and care. Many people voluntarily do that, and I applaud them for doing so. However, positive rights for one individual are necessarily translated into obligations for another, and if these obligations are to bear any meaning (and not merely be a suggestion), the threat of force must be involved. If someone doesn't obey their obligation to help the poor, then for the positive right to exist, this obligation must be physically enforced. This enforcement typically emerges through the threat of arrest, fines, and jail time if the obligation to help the poor is not met.<br /><br />I do not find it justified to threaten someone in order to compel them to fulfill a positive obligation (or imprison them for failing to do so). Consequently, I don't think anyone truly has a positive right to anything, including food and medical care. To obtain a product or service, one has to generate it themselves or obtain it through a voluntary agreement with someone else. Having a positive right to a product or service legitimizes being able to threaten someone else with force in order to secure that right.<br /><br />For those who are a bit confused by my analysis, imagine a small group of people are on an island. One is disabled and is confined to one spot, unable to support himself. Everyone else works on the island and obtains all the food. For the disabled man to have food, it would have to come from someone else on the island. What if everyone on the island ignored him and refused to give him anything? In that case, we see that the "right to have food" isn't a default state. Someone else would have to come in, forcefully take food from everyone else on the island, and give it to the disabled man.<br /><br />As a result, I think a moral obligation is meaningless unless that implies enforceability. If all Singer means by a "moral obligation to help the poor" is that we should feel bad for acting immoral if we don't help, then a moral obligation doesn't have any significant ramifications. Someone can ignore it with no consequences. <br /><br />If by moral obligation we mean "this outcome must happen and we can take forceful steps to ensure that it does", then we have an interesting debate. My generic answer will then be that we can only use force in self-defense - we can't create a positive right for one person by taking something from another person. This is why I don't accept Singer's argument that we have a moral obligation to help the needy - for that obligation to carry weight, it has to be enforceable, and I am unwilling to provide legitimacy to that enforcement.<br /><br />Personally, I think he makes a great case as to why we should help others, but I will not be convinced we have an "obligation" until there is a discussion of the enforcability necessary to create a positive "right".Tim Heinzelnoreply@blogger.com